While browsing Polish internet gun shop sites, I found an example of gas pistol KOLTER RMG-19.
From what I have read, I undestood that it has some kind of gas container and dont shoot usual gas cartridges. I wonder if it is effective?
Maybe somebody knows something about these?
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I thought that only blank cartridges and no tear gas cartridges were allowed in Spain.
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Hello,
it is quite dangerous to do warning shot with gas pistol or show it. A lot of criminals are not afraid of guns in Lithuania, because they think that all of them are gas pistols/revolvers. About a year ago, ex police officer was attacked by three drunk men - they began to beat him. Ex cop showed them Baikal pistol and said "I will shoot, men" - but they tried to take away the gun. In result, the ex cop shot to death one of them and injured other two in self-defence.
In our law it is written: you have to warn the person before using the gun, but this does not mean, that you have to do warning shot. Maybe your law is different
If you need to use gas pistol/revolver, just take it out and shoot in about 1-1,5 seconds. After that quickly run away in the direction opposite you shot.
The distance in which you can use gas pistol, is very small - only 1,5 - 2 m. and you can be easily injured with knife, stick or fists. -
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Originally posted by Gabor VASS
I know, that this is not legal in Germany, but in Hungary we have some converted orig-revolvers.I think it can be interesting for you from technical standpoint.
Most important: NO main parts remain intact
1. the orig rifled barrel was bored out
2. a new gas-barrel, with large barricade was inserted into the place of the original
3. the inner and outer
barrels are welded together4. the new "barrel" is welded to the frame
5. the frame's upper part was weakened inside with a mill
6. half of the the cylinder's internal walls are bored out from the front
7. a hard steel ring is inserted to the frotn of the cylinder, and welded in.
8. The entire gun is refinished
Isn't is easy and inexpensive?
In other words, castration of the gun
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I would like to imagine faces of the bandits when somebody takes out such gun
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Originally posted by lviz
The gas alarm High Power (clone)
The FÉg pistol was converted to 9mm PAK by Keserq Mqvek
For appr. 160 Euro, 100% Steel
http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2631994820101382624WBeFmO[/IMG]http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2767665560101382624baLceg[/IMG]You can hit quite hard with this
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In one article I have read that handguns in Luxembourg are not allowed. I guess that is false.
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Is this police badge in the photo real
Our officers while off-duty carry combat pistols with self-defence licence or gas sprays. Nobody admits having gas pistols/revolvers -
I didn't shoot with this pistol. In other pistols (for example IZH 79 (Makarov)), there is no such lines in this part, that's why I asked.
Thank you for your answers.
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Another photo:
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I inspected Walther P22 chamber and I have a question - does it has to be that way or is there something broken
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Thank you for the answers.
As I understood from the forum posts HW 37 is a good gas gun. -
The letters are KD - 94. Thank you for information.
I wonder why 14 year old revolvers were kept so long. I have read about HW 37 sold in Latvia with same PTB too.I wanted to ask another question: what is the function of the part I found in the revolver box - it can be screwed on the barrel like the part used to shoot 15 mm flares, but its diameter is smaller.
http://i38.tinypic.com/2ekrrkl.jpg - photo of the part
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I bought a HW 37 gas revolver (I havent seen them in Lithuania earlier).
The revolver looks new and not used, but its PTB is 547 - can somebody say in which year it was made? -
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To Schnurbel:
APS rubber bullet version is semi auto.
To Gabor VASS
9 mm Knall + separate rubber bullet combination is quite popular , and is cheaper than original ammunition, BUT this combination also means up to 4 years in jail according to our Penal Code.
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I read a lot in Russian gun forum guns.ru - rubber bullet / traumatic guns made by Umarex such as P99T or P22T are not very popular, since they break very often. Traumatic weapons are so popular in Russia, that gun shops dont trade gas guns anymore (only traumatic as Makarych, OCA, T10 and so on)
Their weak point is the barrel with baricade which deforms very quickly.
The stopping power is also not very good and bullets usually dont penetrate thick clothes.In Lithuania there is only one example - Me 38 Compact, shooting very weak 380 Me Gum bullets - we can own it without licence. A lot of people who bought these revolvers, sold it very quickly, because they were disappointed
There is a photo of a test with these weak legal bullets - few shots at beer can from 2-2,5 metres distance.
http://i38.tinypic.com/2z6t2jb.jpg
Categories of traumatic weapons
1) guns without barrel -OCA, Strazhnik (18 mm caliber)
2) guns with falsch barrel - the barrel is only an imitation and its diameter is bigger than bullets - Lyder (made from Tokarev).
3)guns that are classified as gas guns but shoot with rubber bullets - Makarych Izh 79 9T, APS ( made from Stetchkin), WASP, RG, naganych (made from real nagant in 9 PA)The power of cartridges in Russia is increasing - first cartridges were about 18-30 J, after few years 50-55 J, now about 70 J.
Their stopping power is not very good. -
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Originally posted by Gabor VASS
Amateurs.I have a KWS for this:
What is the name of this wonder if it is SSW?
I first thought taht it is AK -
This would be illegal in Lithuania.
Isnt it better to gave simple pepper spray like Walther Pro Secur or MK Defence? -
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Originally posted by Gabor VASS
"Was wäre wenn nachts jemand bei mir einbrechen würde? "The gas-alarm guns not so perfect to use in closed areas. (selfcontamination danger)
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I recommend having a big dog for home defense.
(Other - Germany legal - solutions for home: JPX, SG-68 with pepperballs-rubberballs, Pepper-Foam spray.)
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Big dog is very good for home defence, but cute Bull terrier like mine is also not bad