Beiträge von Stark

  • SELBSTTEST PV/CS MUNITION

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    Originally posted by Gabor VASS
    If you have legal chance: carry/have both.

    Traumatic weapons are in Russia, not in Lithuania :)

    In Lithuania they have the same legal status as normal combat pistols (Glock, CZ, Heckler Koch), so everybody prefers combat pistols, because their quality is higher and their ammunition is 3-4 times cheaper. The only institution that can sell hanguns is Weaponry Fund, the governmental institution. They have the monopoly, and they dont sell traumatic weapons
    The only "traumatic' revolver is Me38 Compact which fires very low power rubber bullets, which are expensive - you can buy 10 9x19 cartridges for one rubber cartridge.
    The alternative is 7,65 Browning plastic ammunition, which is used for practising, but some people load these into pistol for defence. I dont know if it is effective

    For now I carry one gas pistol (Blow Class or Izh 79 8) and two Walther Pro Secur gas sprays. Maybe its time to think about real licenced pistol.

  • SELBSTTEST PV/CS MUNITION

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    Originally posted by Gabor VASS
    "CR gas was mentioned - I have read about them in Russian - some think it is weak and toxic (can cause cancer), some think that cartridges with PV+CR is effective. There is opinion in Russian gun forums, that 120 mg PV is the best, second is CS, CN is considered weak (but some people who consulted with experts say that CN is more effective, but it is more toxic and during the experiments people loose consciousness more often)
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    Hehehe. Such contradictrary infos lead to make the test by myself:-))

    (And although I lived 3 years in Moscow, my Russian is poor.)


    I had to learn reading in Russian because I needed a lot of books in this language.
    I have read that gas guns are disappearing from the market in Russia because of rubber bullet shooting handguns - it is more profit from them - rubber bullet pistols break quite often (sometimes after 20 shots). their quality is often like gas pistols (Izh79 9T is worse than Izh 79 8), the rubber ammunition is expensive and is often used for shooting targets or practising.

  • SELBSTTEST PV/CS MUNITION

    Well, that was a long discussion (I write in English, because I am from Lithuania).
    It was interesting to read about effect of the gas and about the firearms :)
    The effect of the gas depend from the people. i have read about accident when one man shot the attacker with Bruni GAP (PV cartridge, I guess Wadie, because it is impossible to find Umarex PV cartridges in Lithuania) from 1,5 m distance. The attacker was brought to hospital and was in reanimation for 3 days.
    OC/PV is more effective from the gas sprays such as Walther Pro Secur, MK Defence, KO fog. By the way, simple deodorant or hair spray is even more dangerous for eyes
    Another interesting event, I read about, was from Latvia - security worker had to take out drunk man with combat pistol from the car. Security worker also had combat handgun, but he used gas pistol with PV, CS, CN. The drunk man climbed from the car on his four :)

    CR gas was mentioned - I have read about them in Russian - some think it is weak and toxic (can cause cancer), some think that cartridges with PV+CR is effective. There is opinion in Russian gun forums, that 120 mg PV is the best, second is CS, CN is considered weak (but some people who consulted with experts say that CN is more effective, but it is more toxic and during the experiments people loose consciousness more often)

    About firearms (a bit off-topic)
    I dont understand some people fear about firearms.Handguns are legal in Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia and there is no problem with it. The number of guns is increasing the gun crime decreased 3,5 times in Lithuania. Pistol is just a tool from metal and plastic.
    A lot of people use knifes for self-defence, for example Kabar TDI (I dont know very well,if it is legal to carry knife in your country), but you need more skill to use it.

    Remember, that every weapon is just a tool. If the firearms are restricted, the other tools will substitute them (knife, baton). The problem is not a firearm, but social, economic and political reasons which cause crime.

  • What do police officers think about gas guns?

    Criminals in Lithuania use firearms quite rare, the percent of crimes, made with firearm is about 1 %.
    The biggest possibility is to get a rubber bullet from teenage hooligans with a modified gas gun (Blow magnum from Turkey, Me 38 Compact gum).
    A week ago one criminal was arrested - he was keeping AK 47 under his bed :)
    In 2006-2007 people could surrender or legalize their illegal weapons. They legalized/surrendered 1128 shotguns, 362 rifles, 305 pistols/revolvers.

    A few gangs were catched, that smuggled modified Izh 79 8 to Great Britain.

    I can say one thing about gas pistols - because they are widely available, nobody are afraid of them. There was one event when a guy had Glock 17 and some criminal, who tried to attack him, thought it was a gas gun (after shot in the air he changed his mind).

  • What do police officers think about gas guns?

    Police officers in Lithuania, when off-duty, carry combat handguns for self-defence (more rare), or more often gas sprays - Walther Pro Secur, Antihund (CS+CN) is also popular.
    Police officers dont really like gas pistols/revolvers - their main argument is: when you draw gas pistol. somebody can draw real combat pistol.

  • Wadie Gummigeschoss????

    In Russia people need licence to get gas traumatic pistol, also they need licence for gas pistols/revolvers.
    In Ukraine there is licence for gas pistols, and only few can have traumatic pistol.
    I dont know about Turkey's law.
    In Lithuania traumatic gun is equal to real combat pistol (for example Glock 17) according to law.

  • Wadie Gummigeschoss????

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    Originally posted by Amarti
    Ich war gerade wg. .315 Knallpatronen auf der Webseite von Wadie gelandet. Dabei wird dann auch von einer neuen Munition Gummigeschoss 10 X 22 T gesprochen.

    Guggste hier

    Aber was ist das eigentlich? Lexikon hier und Google hat mich nicht weiter gebracht.
    Ist das die Munition für die "Hunde Dressur"?

    Andreas

    10 x 22 T is used for self defence (letter T means traumatic). It is a low powered round. I guess this ammo is exported to Russia. The shot can make light or medium injuries.

  • Baikal - warum keine SSW für deutschen Markt?

    Real gas pistols lost their popularity in Russia because of traumatic pistols as I have read in their forums.
    I saw the photo of confiscated Izh 79 8 converted to shoot 7,65 mm Browning cartridges. Some criminals from Lithuania converted Izh 79 8 and sold in Great Britain.
    Izh 79 8 is not real makarov, only has an appearance of PM (althought there are differences). There were limited series of BP42, gas pistols made from real Makarov parts.

  • was sind blow modelle?

    Blow f92 is a copy of beretta (17 cartridges). Blow is turkish production.
    Blow magnum, compact are not allowed to import to Lithuania (but we can have them legally) for about a year, other models can be imported.
    Very popular in Lithuania because they are cheap and quite good quality.

    In Turkey a lot of gas guns have can shoot both gas, both metal shots and rubber bullets.

    http://www.voltranarms.com