Beiträge von Micke

The file was updated today (12/5) with a few guns sold at egun.

If you have any questions; feel free to ask! In german if you like - I speak/read some german but prefer not to write.

M.f.G.

/ Micke

Hi all!

Sorry for not writing in german (I am from Sweden). This might be of interest; I have collected the sales prices for old match air rifles (spring), for four years on egun. Totally some 3500. Might be of interest if you are interested in a gun, want to know the market price or just for knowledge.

You can download the file (as an Excel file, about 200k) on this link; http://www.mediafire.com/?rez21c022rmmn

The file (link) is updated weekly with new sold guns. The file is in german, and don't miss the two graphics tabs.

Best regards from a cooold Sweden!

/ Micke

Hallo Roland

Ich habe Handbücher für Diana 60 in Englisch und Diana 6G in Schwedisch auch gemacht, das sind die Links:

D60: http://www.mediafire.com/?onpy98l6i6zylp1
D6G: http://www.mediafire.com/?t6p5c8w5w28bm4f

Beide MSWord-Dateien.

Versuchen Sie, Google übersetzen, und Sie werden hoffentlich einigeverständliches Deutsch aus ihnen heraus.


/ Micke

Einige Infos über die Statistik:

1. Nur vollständige Waffen sind enthalten.
2. Werden Tatsachen bekannt, die kann, wird und Einfluss auf den Preis, das ist ", kommentiert". Wie "Mit Tasche", "Defekt", "Links", "Junior", "Universal" ... und vieles mehr.
3. Bedingung ist nicht in - es ist zu subjektiv.
4. Die unterstrichenen Preise sind Links zu der Auktion bei eGun.
5. Die Daten werden nur von "Matchwaffen"-Abschnitt am eGun gesammelt.
6. Ein paar Pistolen sind "genullt". Diese sind selten FWB-Modelle, nicht repräsentativ (Preis über 500 Euro). Die Preise sind da, aber als Text.
7. Die Datei wird wöchentlich zur gleichen Link (siehe oben) aktualisiert. Fühlen Sie sich frei, um es herunterzuladen, wie Sie benötigen und wünschen.

@ Vier Punkt fünf

Nun können Sie die Dianas mit Giss System zu reparieren. Es ist schwieriger, aber durchaus möglich. Ich erinnere mich, wir diskutierten diese vor einiger Zeit ... Ich schrieb ein Handbuch, wie es geht, ist es i Schwedisch (sorry), aber vielleicht ist es trotzdem nützlich, oder jemand kann es zu übersetzen. Ich werde das "Werkzeug" aus dem Original-Handbuch ersetzen zum Komprimieren der Federn, mit den von Ihnen in der Diana 60 manuelle nächste Mal repariere ich eine D75 finden. Texte, die geändert werden sollen, sind gelb markiert. Hier ist der Link (Word-Datei): http://www.mediafire.com/?zdy53nnlz32

@ Markus
Richtig. Geb / Gewehr = Durchschnittliche Anzahl der Gebote, für die Art der Waffe. Man kann sagen, dass es die "allgemeine Interesse" Maßnahmen.
Die Standardabweichung ist nur ein Wert, der beschreibt, wie viel der Preis um den durchschnittlichen Preis variiert.
Die relative Standardabweichung ist die Standardabweichung x 100 / durchschnittliches Preis. Dieser Wert ist genauer als die Standardabweichung, wenn Sie Waffen mit verschiedenen Werten zu vergleichen. Z.B. Sie können vergleichen die relative Standardabweichung für Diana 100 und Anschutz 220, obwohl die das Preisniveau unterschiedlich sind. (Wie ein Skoda mit einem Lamborghini).
Der Median ist besser als der Durchschnitt, wenn es verschiedene Modelle. FWB 300 haben verschiedene Modelle und dann der Median ist repräsentativ für eine typische FWB300S als der Durchschnitt. Es "schneidet" die extremen Preise für seltene Modelle.

/ Micke 

Some info about the statistics:

1. Only complete guns are included.
2. If facts are known which can, or will affect the price, that's "comments". Like "Mit Tasche", "Defekt", "Links", "Junior", "Universal"...and lots more.
3. Condition is not in - it's too subjective.
4. The underlined prices are links to the auction at egun.
5. The data is only collected from "Matchwaffen"-section at egun.
6. A few guns are "zeroed". These are rare FWB models, not representative (price more than 500 Euro). The prices are there but as text.
7. The file is updated weekly at the same link (see above). Feel free to download it as you want and need.

@ Four point five

Well, you can fix the Dianas with Giss system. It is more difficult, but fully possible. I recall we discussed this some time ago... I wrote a manual how to do it, it's i swedish (sorry), but perhaps it's useful anyway, or someone can translate it :^) . I will replace the "tool" from the original manual for compressing the springs, with the one you can find in the Diana 60 manual next time I repair a D75. Texts that will be changed are marked yellow. This is the link (Word-file): http://www.mediafire.com/?zdy53nnlz32

http://www.mediafire.com/?zdy53nnlz32@ Markus
Correct. Geb/Gewehr = Average number of bids, for the type of gun. You can say that it measures the "general interest".
Standard deviation is just a value describing how much the price varies around the average price.
The Relative standard deviation is the standard deviation x 100 / average price. This value is more accurate than the standard deviation when you compare guns of different values. E.g. you can compare the relative standard deviation for Diana 100 and Anschutz 220 even though the the price levels are different. (Like a Skoda with a Lamborghini).
The median is better than the average (Durchschnitt), when there are different models. FWB 300 have different models and then the median is more representative for a typical FWB300S than the average. It "cuts away" the extreme prices for rare models.

/ Micke

Well, I started to monitor egun 2008 to check out if it was possible to make any real "bargins". But no, egun is full of "profis" and the prices are market prices. Then I just continued to collect data and have been doing since then.

I have some other stuff that might be of interest to you guys down in Germany, I made some manuals, and this is one for how to fix a D60 in english (sorry): http://www.mediafire.com/?onpy98l6i6zylp1 (file format is MSWord).
But perhaps someone find it useful. The Giss systems are rather complex...
Or perhaps this spreadsheet with the production years of different Diana models: http://www.mediafire.com/?5aoglb5p5emqvs4

http://www.mediafire.com/?5aoglb5p5emqvs4If you want to comment or reply in German, no problems, I understand and read German but prefer not to write German...

/ Micke

Sorry for not writing in German. I am swedish, and I know some german but not enough for writing here.

The link is to an Excel-file I have, and it is guaranteed free from viruses and stuff (and from a Mac). I update the file every week with new data from egun.

The file is data for 3000 sales of old match rifles on egun from april 2008. It is most likely the most comprehensive data of sold airguns/prices in the world.

Hope you find it useful!

Best regards from a cold Sweden!

/ Micke

http://www.mediafire.com/?rez21c022rmmn/ Micke

Ich habe gerade repariert eine Diana Luftpistole 6G und änderte die Dichtung. Da ich Schwedisch bin, schrieb ich ein kleines Handbuch in Schwedisch. Es ist zwar nicht in Deutsch (oder Englisch), vielleicht kann es eine Freude für jeden sein.Vielleicht werde ich es ins Englische übersetzen zu einem bestimmten Zeitpunkt,aber jetzt ist es auf Schwedisch. Es sollte zu 95% für andere Pistolen mit Diana Giss Doppel-Kolben-System zu arbeiten.


Hier ist der Link zum Download:http://www.mediafire.com/?7hzlcbehgy289


/ Mikael

I started to collect this data a few years ago, and some just some comments:

There are always a number of factors affecting the prices. Here are some:

- No buyers outside Germany accepted, or international buyers accepted.
- With accessories, box/carrying bag, gloves, manual, and lots more.
- Condition, which is very subjective.
- Defekt.
- Vereinswaffe
- With ZF, bipod, painted...
- A few extreme guns are omitted (but the sales prices are there as text)
...

There are lots. I have only made remarks when there are factors that I know will affect the price, and you will find these remarks as "comments", which is indicated by a small red triangle in the table.
And there is no way to omit sellers that bought their own gun back under another identity. Sellers that asked a price, but did not sell at that price are not included.

But on the other hand - we are dealing with more that 1500 FWB300 guns and I don't think you will find more complete price statistics ww for these guns, and there are some 1000 other guns in it as well.

The file is updated weekly (sometimes more often), and what do you get for nothing? So feel free to download it whenever you want or need.

/ Mikael

Ich sammle Statistiken über die alten Gewehre auf eGun, und hat nunseit drei Jahren tut. 1500 FWB300 (Junior, S, Universal ...) sieht folgendermaßen aus:

Die gesamte Statistik der Gebote und einige andere Gewehre auf diesen Link , Excel-Datei.
(Google translate...)
/ Micke

Klingt ein wenig kompliziert, aber wenn Sie sagen, es funktioniert Ich glaube Ihnen.

Ein weiteres Problem ist, dass die Federn neigt zu biegen und zu Kurve. Deshalb habe ich die Stange (mit meinem Kompressor) schieben den ganzen Weg nach vorne Kolben, bevor ich zu komprimieren starten.

/ Micke

Hello Roland!

Ich habe nicht versucht, es zu tun so. Ich dachte, der Druck der Federn könnte den Kolben zurück drehen zu machen, wenn Sie das Tool loslassen und dannwird der Kolben ausfliegen. Aber vielleicht bleibt er in seiner Position. Es klingt ein wenig gefährlich, aber vielleicht werde ich versuchen es beim nächsten Mal.

(Google translate  )


M.f.G.


/ Micke

Hallo 4.5 and thanks!

I didn't know there was an original manual for Diana 60. The pictures are really detailed!

I have a problem with the original manuals (Diana 60, 65, 66 and 75), for these guns. The tool (Abb. 3b), does not work for two reasons:

1. It is practically impossible to compress the springs and at the same time get the cog wheels on the sides in the correct position. If you have someone to help pushing the tool in, it can be done but is still difficult.
2. It is a risk that the springs will curve and be damaged when you use the tool and compress the springs. This because the the 3.5mm rod is fixed in the tool.

That's why I designed my own spring compressor, it works fine and you can see pictures of it in the manual I wrote.

M.f.G.

/ Micke

Hello down in Germany!

I have translated my swedish manual for how to repair Diana model 60 to english. You will find it on this link: http://www.mediafire.com/?onpy98l6i6zylp1

The format is Word 2007.

The manual will work for Diana 65 and 66 too. As you may know, the double piston system by Giss, is quite tricky to disassemble/assemble.
As far as I know, there are no other manuals for how to fix them, and to send them to Diana for new gaskets and springs will cost a lot.

This means that a lot of these quality guns are either stored "somewhere" or thrown away when the old cork gaskets are worn out.

Hope you like it and find it useful. Any comments are welcome, also in german! (I read german without problems)

Sorry for not writing in german, but I am from Sweden and my english is better than my german...

M.f.G.

/ Micke

Genau! Meine meinung auch.

Due to the fact that we are dealing with three springs and a much shorter pressure cylinder, together with cogwheels and a really complex gun, this is no easy job. You have to work systematically, mark everything, and think.
At first I thought that I could just translate the original Diana manual. I tried, but I gave up. Like I said, there are so many things missing and there are some errors in it in general. That's why I wrote my own manual...well, it's become quite popular both in Sweden and now down in Germany. (I can tell from the number of downloads...)

If I translate it to English, perhaps someone can translate it to German...all for the good cause?

M.f.G.

/ Micke

Hallo Klaus,

There are some problems with the original manual for how to fix a Diana 75.

First some parts are fractional and don't tell you in detail how to do. We are dealing with 200 parts here....you have to be very systematic and mark all components in plastic bags.
Second; the tool described for compressing the springs are practically useless. It is no way you can both compress the springs, hold the tool under pressure, and at the same time insert the cogwheels. I constructed at spring compressor for Diana 60 that works (see Diana 60 Manual)
Third; in one part they have forgotten a small spring washer locking an axis i place. This washer is very hard to see, and if you try to remove the axis with force, you may damage the whole gun.

On egun, I have seen many Diana 60-75, either sold cheap since the original cork gaskets are "no more" (no pressure), or as "defekt" with broken cogwheels when someone has tried to fix them.
I just hate that these fine guns are thrown away, either because they are to expensive to repair, or no-one can or is missing instructions. That's why I wrote it....

/ Micke

About the Match L-model:

I remember it did not look like the "LS" with the thumbhole, but more like a Universal with a ZF. It didn't look special to me, but the guy that sold it stated that it was a "Match L" in the original box and in very good condition. The price went up to 503 Euros and there were 108 bids. This is about double the price a "normal" Universal with ZF would cost.
So I assumed it was a rare and special model.

I will check and if I find new information I'll come back.

/ Micke

Add: I started to translate the manual for how to change gaskets and springs in a Diana 60 to English. I might be finished in a week or two. I hate to see these fine guns being thrown away since they are so hard (and expensive), to fix. Perhaps someone here can translate to German later...

Add2: I found this text about the Match-L model:
"300S Match L: Die „L“-Version besitzt die gleiche Schäftung wie das 300 S „Universal“, aber ohne entfernbare Schaftbacke. Besonderes Merkmal ist die gestreckte Vorderschaftsunterkante, analog zum „Modell 2000 UIT“"

Hello Markus!

There are a number of FWB300-models. FWB300, FWB300S, FWB300S Junior, FWB300 Universal. But also some rare and expensive models for "Field Target", if I remember correct, this model is called "LS", and another rare model called "Match L".

All of these models are in the column for "FWB300S". For each gun, when it is not a typical"FWB300S", you will find a small red triangle indicating that there is a comment, and then something stated like "Junior", "Not S" (for the older model), or "Universal". I have also used this field to indicate things that may affect the price like "Defekt", "Mit Tasche" or something of relevance.
My general impression is that the FWB300, is roughly 20-30 Euro cheaper, the Junior 10-20 Euro cheaper, and the Universal is 30-40 Euro more expensive, when compared to the "standard" FWB300S.

In three cells I have excluded the numbers from the calculations (but the numbers are there as text). This was for the rare LS-models and the Match L, which were sold for 500-1200 Euro. I did not find them representative for FWB300S in general, and they would have messed up the graphic.

By the way - I read German without problems, if you have any other questions, feel free to ask.

/ Micke

Sorry, I forgot the link to the manual for Diana mod. 75.

Also in swedish, but hopefully useful for someone. This is the link; http://www.mediafire.com/?zdy53nnlz32

File format is Word.
Things marked yellow will be changed in next version - mainly replacement of the original spring compressor.

If you use it, use a slightly modified version of the spring compressor which is described in the manual for Diana 60.

/ Micke