The Retay G19C or G17 models are moch more faithful replicas of the real glock. Their internal mechanism is partly worse, partly better than the Zoraki 917.
The barrel is steel like on a Rohm RG96, but there is no steel in the hammer. The Retay is single action only, but there is a working trigger safety, the Z917 is double action, but no safe way to carry chambered.
The Retay is little bit less expensive here. with cca 10%.
No clear winner:-) None of them are perfect at all.
Retay G19C 9 mm PAK, 15+1, non-PTB
I think an airbow pistol with arrows at E0=68 joule is not the best idea. It will be more lethal than a .22 LR, with all the legal consequences, but the stopping power is at least doubtful. And giving it for anyone for carry without any control? hmmm, disaster (total ban) waiting for hapen.
Why don't they use a blunt traumatic bullet with the same 68 joules as non lethal traumatic weapon? That would make more sense.
And from our experiences with rubber bullet shooter guns in Hungary, 60 joules is more than enough for stopping an attacker.
(Human test videosare not allowed here:-(()
Naja... solange wie es Menschen gibt, wird auch gebastelt...
Grad hab ich erfahren, daß wohl Polen, Tschechien und Ungarn ihre Waffengesetze jetzt tatsächlich so ändern, daß dortige Staats-bürger mit gutem Leumund scharfe Waffen kaufen und auch führen dürfen.
Für solche Länder ist eine scharfe 906 sicherlich eine Marktlücke... und was ich da gesehen habe, ist kein Laienumbau, sondern es soll tatsächlich seitens Zoraki-Hersteller Atak Arms eine scharfe 906 geben... ich denke mal, daß die auch andere Modelle im vormaligen Ostblock als scharf anbieten... und warum auch nicht? Robust genug sind die Zorakis wohl dafür und wären nicht die ersten auch scharfen Waffen mit starkem Zinkverschluß.
Obwohl... grad erfahre ich, daß es wohl doch eine 906-Variante (T6) mit Gummigeschossen 9mm sein soll... und die würden ja auch voll ausreichen, um Angreifer abzuwehren...
Sorry Feri,
but it is FALSE info.
1. Czech Republic is already shall-issue, normal citizen (after exams, strict licencing procedure) will get the carry licence for a real handgun.
2. Hungary and Poland is NON-issue, ZERO chance for carry licence for real gun. Only politicans and their extremely rich friends will get the CCW. Less than 10.000 legal handguns in the country (both sport and selfdefence included. NO market here.)
It will never change in Hungary. Our commie police and interior ministry even wanted to ban all semiauto centerfire handguns and long guns in 2017 February.
3. Zoraki 906 is never made in real "9 mm" (Luger), and that would be impossible, too.
.380 ACP theoretically possible.
The Russian, Ukrainian, Romanian (etc) market is all about rubber bullet only, traumatic pistols, and almost all Zoraki guns are made for those cartridges.
Legally those are "scharf" in Germany, but not real guns in conventional sense of words.
The other (horrific) photos are here at the end of the short article:
heheheee, my photo, my article:-)
It was carried by its owner in the summer heat in an iwb holster. Totally rusted.
"UmaGlock 43" in 9 mm PAK with steel slide in PK380 style. WANT.
Ekol Major = Valtro OSS117
Baugleich
Der gute Gabor VASS arbeitet für eine ungarische Waffenzeitschrift glaube ich und hat dadurch Zugang zu all den nicht-PTB Waffen wie auch eben die Majarov und Major. Ich persönlich vertraue auf seine Aussage wenn er meint die Waffen sind baugleich
And I have 3 gunshops, too:-)
Here you will find our magazine's video about the Ekol Majarov in Hungarian language, but if you know the ME 9 Para gaspistol, you will see, it is exactly the same gun internally:
http://www.kaliberinfo.hu/fegyvervideok/…rov-gazpisztoly
However, anyone can see them as externaly identical:
majarov = ME 9 Para
Baugleich
Walther PP design.
Ekol Major...is a piece of shit. And smaller size, single action only.
Kai, we are in the same street again:-)
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so I personally still believe that for the 'average'
person a spray with enough content (and therefore reach) plus a
gasrevolver is the more "effective" equipment compared with the GA ..."
I agree with this. But these options do not exclude each other.
More options are better.
The same person can carry a snubbie gasrevolver AND a gasspray AND a Guardian Angel II/III. All can be under 1 kg.
And choose whatever fits best for the situation.
In subway train it is not really recommended to use a gasrevolver, but in case of a "pack" attack on the street, that is the better.
In a windy weather on the street, however, it is better to grip the jet protector technology.
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For FerencG: there are situations when you can not win, not even with a submachine gun.
Respectfully, but I disagree.
1. the usefullness and effectivness are not fair to define based on the capabilities of the person who use it.
I am quite effective with lighweight compact polymer framed pistols, but the average person without extensive pistol training is NOT. Does it mean, that a Glock for example is not an effective device neutralizing the threat?
The Guardian Angel is clearly more suited for the pistol-trained people.
2. yes, the "3 times" more effective is not a quantifiable term in this case. But the Piexon Guardian Angel (especially the pistol sighted and pistol gripped GAII and GAIII) is much more effective than a common pepperspray. becuase:
- it can be used in heavy wind
- from much larger distance than a usual pocket sized FOG spray
- can be safely used in a closed room without self-contamination, opposed to a FOG pepperspray
- the speed of the jet make it very hard to impossible to turn away, and make it much more effective against glasses, masks etc.
3. It is unfair to compare the pocket sized unit to an impossible-to-carry crowd control extra large peppespray. That would be correct to complain to JPX4.
What is the problem with this advertisement?
The Swiss Piexon Guardian Angel is sold under the trade name Kimber Pepper Blaster in the USA since many years.
It is true that the device is much more effective than a conventional pepperspray, works on a different principle.
6 ml with 150 km/h is more than enough.
(3 meters, 2 shots, 5 years after warranty is over.)
As long as you have an official BKA-paper stating it is a "dog training tool" it will be OK.
Without it: I wouldn't try it in Germany.
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But in France...:
Trommelspalt problem ist OVERDIMENSIONIERT:-)
That is not so important at all. Nothing visible difference between an EGR77 (0,2 mm) and an RG89 (0,6-1 mm) when used with pepper ammo.
Szia Feri,
A csőfar-dob hézagot itt túldimenzionálják.
Ha kicsit és könnyűt akarsz, akkor HW88SA, ha éppen lehet kapni.
Ha olcsót és kicsit: Röhm RG59. Kicsit többért, sok acéllal: HW37.
Ha masszív hatlövetűt, akkor cseh Alfa 020, ami németeknél Mercury, Shield stb. név alatt futott.
De egy RG89, Ekol Viper, Zoraki R1, R2 is teljesen jó.
Kizárólag Walther 9 mm R Knall pepperrel etesd, a Wadie fos, kiszakad a csappantyúja.
(Sorry guys for the Hungarian.)
Sorry Gabor, bitte zukünftig bitte auf deutsch oder einglisch (wie bisher) ..... wer weiß, was du da erzählst? 
Gruß Musashi
Swiss pepper-pepperbox:-)
Piexon JPX4 Compact
Loaded:
You can also load Flash-Bang ammo and Pepper Jet cartridges.
21st century polymer, 2-shot version from Tula (A+A Hunter's Signal):
(Centerfire, 209 shotgun primers)
I think the 925 pictured above is an accidentally shipped traumatic. This happened before...Turkish quality control:-)
Our Zoraki's muzzle looks like this:
914:
Or the 917:
