Posts by Gabor VASS

    thanks for the answer.
    So, there are some other (technical) questions.
    - is the ammo the centerfire 9 mm Knall with longer brass?
    - does the ammo contains powder charge, or just the primer ejects the ball?
    - what is the weight of the bullet?
    - what technical solutions (subcaliber barrel or cylinder) do you use to exclude the possibilty to use metallic bullet?

    best regards

    I know the german gun laws - I read them in original:-)).

    Therefore I know, that the 7,5 J+ guns require licence - same as in Hungary.

    The "hot gases" issue: the single shot muzzleloaders, and the non-modern ammo (Dreyse, Sharps) chambered rifles are also "frei ab 18" in _Germany_.

    And you don't need "bedurfnisprufung" for UNDER 7,5 J firearms, such as 4 mm M20-converted pistols.

    (I think the ME .380 GUM can be categorised here, too - if the E0 is really under 7,5J)

    BUT: your laws do not deter me collecting information about a new German product, which is potentially "free to sale" in my country.

    the topic is very interesting for me, because in Hungary we already allowed to own (and carry loaded in your car) similar rubber-bullet guns.

    These are under 7,5 J, which means, that the 10 mm rubber ball (cca. 0,6 gramm) is flying out form the barrel with v0 150-160 m/s.

    For self-defence: it hits really painful from 2 meters.
    (I tried it on myself!)

    As far as I know only the Italians (Kimar) manufacture such guns under 7,5J, the other kinds (Ukrainian, Czech, French, Russian etc.) are more powerful.

    So the ME .380 Gum could be interesting on our market.

    Hello (ME-Meister),

    I have visited the site, and found the following technical description:

    "293203 ME 38 Compact-G, brüniert 293203 ME 38 Compact-G, blued

    schwarz-brauner, Kst.-griff black-brown synthetic grip

    - Kaliber: .380 ME GUM
    - Schusszahl: 5
    - Lauflänge: 57 mm
    - Gesamtlänge: 180 mm
    - Gewicht: 650 g
    - Sicherung: Fallsicherung
    <b>- Energie: < 7,5 J </b>"

    Is it correct, that the muzzle energy is under 7,5 J???

    the gun is the Hungarian FEG GRP-9/GRPK-9 (the short one is the later - which I own)
    (Also sold as GRH, GRE)

    *** NO PTB! ***

    Not for sale in Germany. Only the barrel and recoil spring is different from the 9x18 Makarov or 9 mm Br. Short version.

    The real barrel is interchangeable with the gas "barrel".

    (Here a normal firearm license is required to own and carry gas-alarm guns, so it is not a big problem, too easy to be catched with a transformed gun)

    there are a lot of full-auto airgun designs in the USA, but there is only one currently in production in Europe.
    The Russian DROZD from

    It is basically an UZI-like polymer-frame modell, with 30 round long Makarov-air pistol magazine for 4,5 mm BBs.
    The mechanism works with 6 AA-batteries, and it have 1, 3, 6-round burst capabilty with 300, 450, and 600 rpm rate of fire.

    E0 is about 5-6 joule.

    It is free to own in Russia.

    I tried one, it is capable to shoot one-hole accuracy in 3 rd-mode from 5 meters, and 4-5 cm/10 m/ 6 rd burst.

    Good fun-gun!!!

    "Der Rg 89 ist ein guter Qualitativ hochwertiger Revolver! (Ich habe selber 2!)"

    Yes it is a quality piece (for its price), but it is entirely made of zinc-alloy.
    Therefore the firing mech is quite breakeable, especially the hammer spur.

    On a long run it will probably develop timing errors.

    But for the price it is almost the best.

    The old RG69 with steel cylinder and firing mech. is much more better, for cca double price.

    There are still steel (main parts) gas-alarm guns, although most of them are not available in the German market.

    For example:
    - the Russian IZH-made Makarov, PSM and MCM-K(Margolin) models in 8 mm K (
    - the polish P-84 in 9 mm PAK
    - the Hungarian GRP, GRP-K, GRH, GRE models in 9 mm PAK

    The _old_ Rohm RG99, RG69 (not RG69N) also have steel cylinder and firing mechanism. Their czech copies (Kora, Alfa under name of Mercury and such) are the same.
    So the Weihrauch HW 37 and HW88, HW1, HW10, Wadie P1.

    The numerous Western -replicas (Uberti, ASM, Weihrauch) are also excellent quality firearm-steel products.

    In my opinion you can buy top-quality gas-alarm revolvers in Germany, but not semiauto pistols.

    The main problem with the zinc-alloy pistols, that they tend to wear out within some hundred rounds or dry firing. Although nobody forbids to manufacture the firing mech. (trigger, hammer) from steel...It is less expensive to produce.

    The other thing, that if you carry such pistol on daily basis, it will be easily broken from simple blow...

    My recommendation: carry a light snubbie revolver with steel (and aluminium) parts. The other models are jjust for collecting.

    in France the gas-alarm guns are free to own (even "ohne-PTB"), the airguns are the same, but the muzzle energy limit is not 7,5 J, but 9,81 J.

    The black powder muzzleloader guns (revolvers, too) are free, too, and you can also buy non-lethal rubber bullet handguns, and .22 LR repeater rifles without license.

    Nice place:-))

    a Poland company (FHU) manufactures a Glock-19 copy under the name Kolter K-19.

    4,5 mm 12-shot BB, mag in the grip, 12 g CO2, polymer frame, zinc-"slide".
    The barrel is pushed forward by the trigger (DAO) for each shot, such as Anics SKIF-3000.

    Less expensive (20%) than CP99, as far as I know not avail. in Germany (and nowhere outside Poland)

    gas-alarm guns in different countries, as far as I know:

    - Hungary: license for ownership and carry, the same procedure as for normal firearms, but on non-discretionary base. The guns do not require PTB or such stamping (full-steel ones are allowed). Limitation on allowed number, practically only one piece
    - Slovakia, Czech Republik: ownership and carry is free, no PTB
    - Austria : ownership and carry is free, no PTB
    - Romania: license for ownership and carry (no more info)
    - Russia: license for ownership and carry, The guns do not require PTB or such stamping (full-steel ones are allowed), but the license is OPEN one, so you can buy as many as you want.
    - France: free to own, but carry is not allowed
    - Italy only NO-front-firing models are free to own, no tear gas ammo
    - Great Britain: only NO-front-firing models are free to own, no tear gas ammo, carry is forbidden
    - Netherland: only the 6 mm start-pistols with no front-firing are free

    Who knows more?

    I think that you have a gun for the standard shotgun shell primer. This is about 6 mm kaliber, with the power of a 6 mm platzpatrone, but centerfire. The Russians manufacture such gun.

    another news from IWA:
    - Pepperbal (USA)l: normal .68 caliber paintball rounds filled with 2 grams of OC-powder. Utilisable from any normal paintball gun up to 10 meters. Good for riot control and homde defence
    - Piexon ( Switzerland), the manufacturer of Guardian Angel (Dog Shock) Jet protector pepper-shooting device showed a 4-barrelled reloadable pistol (very brutal looking) with 6 m effective range. They claimed, that it will be sold as a free gas-(alarm) gun in Germany - if it is true, it will beat any gasgun in home defence field (it is too big for carry)