Beiträge von Gabor VASS

    hi,
    in the last week a Rohm Little Joe (with PTB, in 6 mm fb. platz) was in my hands.
    The interesting was, that there were not any obstacle in the barrel, nor in the cylinder (the bore was reduced to cca. 4 mm after the chamber).

    Is it normal?

    (This is not a frequent model here.)

    hi,
    "Auf irgendeiner Website stand was von 70-110 m/s. "

    The higher could be the correct!

    On the original Russian paper box of the Makarov air pistol there is: "ckopocm / velocity 70...110 m/s".

    And the Makarov is more powerful than the CP88 for the first 30-40 shots!

    hi,
    "anschein" or not?

    The original Beretta M93R full-auto pistol was single action only (the Umarex is DA/SA), the original has frame mounted safety catch (the Umarex slide-mounted) etc.

    So, it could be easy to manufacture the current Reck Miami 9 mm PAK with longer barrel and forward grip, but that won't be a clone of the original...

    "Der zweckgemäße Betrieb (wg. heißer Gase usw.) allerdings erlaubnispflichtig."

    Where is _written_ in the german gunlaws, that shooting any other, than pyrotech. munition is forbidden?

    (What hapen if I make a ball from simple paper, and shoot out from the zusatzlauf?)

    There is no specification of the material (rubber, paper-pyro, Al-Mg leuchsterne etc)! The leuchsterne is already a solid projectile which fired with hot gases above 7,5J. (And it is LEGAL!)

    In legal self-defence application it is legal to use ANY object what you have!
    (Pepper against human, leuchsterne, rubber-ball, too!)

    Even using a fully illegal firearm do not illegitimize the justifiable selfdefence itself! (In another legal action you will be convicted for only the illegal gun itself.)

    hi,
    according to the german gun laws, the "WBK-pflichtig" parts of a firearm are:
    - barrel
    - frame
    - bolt and/or slide.

    The compensator/zusatzlauf is not such a part. So the simple ownership of a Soft-gomm is not a violation of the laws.

    "Als Ferndiagnose und ohne extra nochmal die §§ nachzuschlagen gibts dazu folgendes zu sagen:

    Es sieht aus, wie ein Zusatzlauf, durch den das "Geschoss" getrieben wird (Sehe ich das richtig?).
    Es hat weiterhin keine PTB-Abnahme. Damit kannst Du es auch mit kleinem WaffSch nicht fuehren.
    Es hat auch kein :f:, also nicht frei ab 18, ein Vorderlader oder vergleichbares freies Teil ists auch nicht im Sinne des WaffG.

    Ergo ists WBK-Pflichtig fuer den Besitz und Waffenscheinpflichtig wenn es gefuehrt wird."

    hi,
    As far as I know:
    1. the current "zusatzlauf" (cal. 15 mm, in 1970-80 that was also in 9 mm, and currently the Berloque also have one in the smaller caliber) DO NOT have PTB-stempel on it.
    2. Only the gas-alarm gun itself requires the PTB, nor the mags, nor the zusatzlauf etc.
    3. Even the current "full-legal zusatzlauf" is capable of firing projectiles above 7,5 joule - and they are NOT illegal
    4. Only the air (CO2) guns require the F.
    5. As someone else stated here: if the Rohm RG96 Rapid Launcher (or the multishot LeSimat) are legal, so the Soft-gomm IS, TOO.
    6. The old - but still free - .22 Lang Knall revolvers, with their 15 mm "muzzle" also NOT WBK-pflichtig.

    (I tried the small 2 mm Berloque with 10 mm rubber balls, and that was probably under 7,5j)

    hi,
    yep, the Dog-Shock is an excellent product.
    You can't jump away from the "shot", and even the heavy wind can't throw away (or back) the charge, opposite to sprays.

    I know someone, who accidentally shot himself in face (once), and the effect was devastating. Almost 100% stopping power, cause he bacema totally blind for a quarter hour.

    "Es gibt meiner Meinung nach derzeit keinen effektiven Sv Artikel auf dem deutschen Markt! "

    I don't think so.
    Check this out:
    http://www.dog-shock.de

    Much better than peppersprays.

    No KWS.

    (Although I think that the new German gun law do not require the KWS for carrying a gas-alarm gun when (paragraph 12., (3) 4.) "eine Signalwaffe beim Bergsteigen,", so it depends where are you "jogging":-))

    With KWS for selfdefence, the PTB-revolvers are much better (simplier to use, more reliable) than pistols.

    "This is possible, because they put a new barrel into the existing one."

    But, that will be a single shot only!

    The magazine, the bolthead, extractor etc. are all for the .223 Rem.

    Except changing almost the entire gun it is not possible to transform it to repeater!

    " Gabor
    the co2 Version?"

    NOT!
    Of course the original .223 Remington selbstladebüsche.

    (Mit WBK)

    I do not think it is possible to convert to LEP, because there are no similar size BAC-patrone. The 5,56x45 is too slim.

    (Single-shot is theoretically possible.)

    "Die 9mmP.A.K. "P22" beispielsweise verwendet das Griffstück der scharfen P22 (.22lfb). "

    Yep.
    Even the slide is the very same.
    The difference is only the bolt-insert itself (not rimifire, but centerfire).

    But it do not mean, that the P22-GAS is real-gun quality. It means that the P22-.22LR is just gas-alarm quality gun.

    (To be fair: it is quite a good piece in the zinc-alloy category.)

    hi,
    Elch said the correct answer.

    In Hungary the gas-alarm guns are not free. You need a normal firearm licence to buy one (one! and no more). This is also a carry licence.

    Theoretically it is possible to get this licence for an Austrian citizen, if he/she has permanent living place here.

    For a normal foreign citizen, to get licence is almost impossible. To export the licenced gun from here is also very problematic, it could cost more than the gun itself...

    Buy a percussion revolver here, NO LICENCE!:-))

    (But thats fully illegal in .at without licence)

    Original von Klepto
    -)robust & haltbar
    -)hoche zuverlässigkeit
    -)originalgetreues aussehen
    -)kein revolver
    -)sollte aus stahl sein


    "Die ersten 4 Punkte sind machbar, Röhm ist da wohl erste Wahl, alternativ auch die P99 oder P22."

    Sorry, but the Umarex P99 is NOT "robust and haltbar". The firing mechanism is simply junk.

    The P22 with its spiral hammer-spring, and steel.inserted hammer is much better!

    Steel pistols are not available in Germany. Only revolvers. I do not know why, because theoretically it is much easier to transform a revolver to a real gun, than any semiauto.
    (Although today's PTB-requirements are so strict, that both are almost impossible.)

    Beside the old 8 mm K-transformed PTB-PP and -PPK models, there were czech VZ70 pistols, too (7,65 mm Browning original). Their price were some 100 DM lower than PP/PPKs.