Cakiber designation is also dual:
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9 mm PAK and 9 mm R. Knall are both OK in this Ekol Lite. And it is also confrom with EU 69/2019.
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Hallo, ich habe mir gestern eine bei Frankonia gekauft. Auch die 4,5 in Nickel.
Bei mir passen normale 9mm PAK ohne Problem rein
Ist es auch das neue 2022 er Model mit den vielen Fräsungen (also die Kürzeren zwischen den Langen) an der Trommel?
What is the PTB-number with this new cylinder?
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Warum soll ich mit ner Knarre rumlaufen,die im Endeffekt nur eine optische Abschreckung bietet.
"Echte Messer" werden auch schnell zum Problem.
Ich habe einen kleinen Dagger aus Ipe-Holz. Waffenrechtlich völlig unbedenklich aber als Stichwaffe nicht zu unterschätzen.
I really hate this.
When there is always one or two guys feel they have to agitate against the carry of guns in a topic ABOUT carry of guns.
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Especially when at the same time recommend to carry a KNIFE for selfdefence. OMG.
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In Hungary I usually carry small snubnose gasrevolver like the Alfa M020P or Arminius HW88SA (and/or a rubber bullet shooter, like Keserű Pitbull-19M).
However in GERMANY, I carry a "Germany-Legal Set":-)
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Vielen Dank, thanks a lot!
Really everything about guns, wow! And yes, I'm not interested in guns which require a licence.
So the KKVE Government Orders are my problem: I want to settle down in Hungary next year.
So transport and - later - use on my private ground are to discuss.
Transport : Will be carried out by a professional furniture removal company. So while transport, nobody has admittance to these "KKVE-weapons". For German gun law, this is legal.
Use: In German gun law you have to take care that bullets (out of guns listed above), bolts and arrows cannot leave your private property and neighbours aren' t in danger.
So how do Hungarian KKVE Government Orders look like? Perhaps different in each Komitat?
No problem.
Safe transport is allowed for all KKVE devices. Means it should be packed in a bag or box, not ready to use (in case of a crossbow for example: unloaded, uncocked).
Airguns and other free-to-own guns are also allowed to transport unloaded , safely packed.
Using these on private property: airguns, paintball markers, bows, crossbows are allowed, IF it is impossible to shoot out from your property (safe backstop), and basically it is fenced, so no one can just walk into the line of fire.
Gas-alarms guns are loud, and it can frighten the neighbours, so it is better to use them on a shooting range, black powder muzzleloaders are mandatory to use only on licenced shooting range (or hunting field with special hunting permit).
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Good morning Mr. Vass!
My question is, what kind of weapons can you own in Hungary (not carry!).
Here's my list:
CO2 pistols and rifles, below 7,5J
Swords (as decoration but with sharp blades)
Knives (with blades longer than 8cm)
Crossbows
Bows
Best regards
Und Dank an Ingo M. für das Original-Gesetz!
You can own a lot of guns, BUT I think you are interested on those which do not require licence:
1. Airguns up to 7,5 J
2. Paintball markers with MINIMUM 12 mm caliber up to 15 J
3. Gas- and alarm guns
(From 2023.01.01. the NON-EU-compliant NEW gas-alarm guns will be Category C-1, subject to registration)
4. antique weapons (and their replicas)
a, muzzleloaders
b, any gun which is do not capable of firing modern united rimfire, centerfire or electronic-ignited ammuniton
(such as "percussion-hinterlader" or "Lefaucheux-revolvers".)
5. Deactivated guns
(From 2021.01.01. the EU-compliant NEW deactivated guns are Category C-2, subject to registration)
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The bows, crossbows, swords, bayonets, knifes, tear gas sprays, batons etc are NOT under the Gun Law, but under the KKVE Government Order (KKVE: Devices Especially Dangerous to Public Safety), generally FREE TO OWN, however their carry, transport, use, sale is a deifferent thing.
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Hallo!
Hätte noch Fragen an Hr. Vass bezüglich Waffenrecht Ungarn, falls der thread noch offen ist.
Mit den Original-Paragraphen - trotz Übersetzung - komm ich nicht klar
Mit weihnachtlichen Grüßen
Hello, what are your questions?
I'll answer them if I can.
Merry Xmas!
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Price for the Pistol ? Looks better then the Botan, but both Not available here.
Thanks for your pictures by the was. Every time something unique.
price is cca. 70 euros.
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Pocket-Rocket from Turkey: Ekol KURA 8 mm Knall (6+1), non-PTB
Singleaction ?
Natürlich.
Internal hammer.
The biggest drawbacks of this little pistol:
a, the grip is very squarish (scharfkantig)
b, it is only 8 mm K, not 9 mm PAK
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Pocket-Rocket from Turkey: Ekol KURA 8 mm Knall (6+1), non-PTB
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Die Frage ist: Welcher Hersteller hat diese Zulassung nach dieser Richtlinie, und wie erkennt man das?
A few practical tip about EU-conform gas-alarm guns.
As more and more EU member state implement the 69/2019 EU Richtlinie, the Turkish, Czech and Italian manufacturers manufacture their guns such way.
- If you import the non-PTB but EU-conform gas-alarm guns from Czech Republic, there will be a C-1 category designation near the Czech CIP-N proofmark.
- The Zoraki now sells their guns without the PTB sign, BUT with the "PTB" letter on the box's white vignette. (Identical with the ones on the German market)
- The Kuzey and Ekol models which are newly manufactured have enormously long letter row before the numbers in their serial number.
Non-EU-conform looked like this: EVI3-1700763, NOW, the EU-conform serial number: EVZXIZBRDMFSO2YZ-2100654
- Bruni: the "2021 Letter NUMBER " format serial numbered guns are generally EU-conform
I hope it helps a little.
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NON-PTB, but 100% EU-conform.
Hallo Gabor, und wie sieht die Laufsperre aus?
Da gab es ja früher ganz schlimme Entgleisungen (Korkenzieher).
The Laufsperre of the Alfa M020P is a vertical blade, looks similar to current RG89's.
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Alfa M020P - 9 mm PAK(!) and 9 mm R Knall steel cylinder.
NON-PTB, but 100% EU-conform.
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Beautiful Gabor VASS ,
I look forward that our Government finally change the Law for EU Rules and free the Hungary Beauties for the German Market. 😊
The German gun law is already modified. If a gas-alarm gun is conform with the EU 69/2019, that is legal in Germany.
However, in Hungary the conformity with the EU-directive is only mandatory from 2023.01.01., so AFTER that it have to be sold with modified barrel, and THAN you can buy them.
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Little bit ugly, but it is the SMALLEST and LIGHTEST 6-shooter 9 mm Gasrevolver, ever.
9 mm PAK, 250 gramm(!), aluminium frame and cylinder, steel trigger&hammer, DAO.
(Keserű Bonnie, NON-PTB)
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Ekol Firat PB92 AUTO - full auto "mit Feuerwahlhebel".
9 mm PAK, 17+1, steel hammer, polimer fame, NO PTB.
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A photo just for demonstrating our times: The upper card is the Hungarian KWS, the lower card is the Immunity Certificate about Covid-19 vaccination. Defending yourself with two different ways:-)